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Be Our Guest Beer & Wine

One of the women that I follow on Facebook is currently at a Media Event for the new Fantasyland and just said that there would be Beer & Wine served with dinner at the Be Our Guest restaurant.

Thoughts? Comments? Discuss...

UPDATE: Rumor Confirmed on Disney Parks Blog and Disney Food Blog
http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2012/09/13/news-be-our-guest-restaurant-to-serve-beer-and-wine-in-disney-worlds-magic-kingdom/

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Eh, whatever. I enjoy a glass of wine with dinner, or just because, but I've never been bothered by the lack of alcoholic beverages at MK. So if it's not true, no big deal.

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That's quite a shift. Hmm.

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I like the tradition of MK being a "dry" park but I'm ok with the change.

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I like a cool one but its not big deal either way.

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It's good that they are limiting it to just at the table service restaurant and no "to go" cups. It's not like people are going to be drinking all day and the getting on the Tea Cups (that would not be pretty rolling )

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JoAnn C wrote:
It's not like people are going to be drinking all day and the getting on the Tea Cups (that would not be pretty rolling )

Eeew... I saw the results of that scenario at Great America last month, not pretty.

Ultimately this will save me a trip out of the park for a nice sit down dinner, so I'm pretty cool with the change. I know the community at large will be up in arms though.

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I really dont care either way, I dont really drink but dont mind at all if others want to Smile I know some people have noticed people being a bit drunk round the world in EPCOT but I have honestly never noticed it so I doubt I would notice it in MK either!

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I myself think they should keep MK dry. Just because.

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I admit I'm not well versed in Disney history as most of you are. I've read that Walt didn't want alcohol in Disneyland but I haven't seen where the same was said for MK, only that it was made dry based on his wishes for Disneyland. A lot of comments made on this were "it's against Walt's wishes" but is it?

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I don't like it. It goes against Walt's vision. This is just the start to the down hill slope. They will see the money they make in the wine and beer sales and then it will show up in Tony's, and the round table.

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it does not matter to me i generally don't drink beer or wine while i eat, just think maybe they should put a limit on it though

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I like a good glass of wine or a cold pint of beer..... But I like Magic Kingdom "drunk" free... You don't need to drink there to have a good time.... If only people didn't take advantage of it.... And kept it to a one or two drink limit it would be fine.... But being that this will be the only place you can have a drink.... I think people will probably try to fill up and overdo it.... and we'll have a bunch of drunks walking around in the Enchanted Forest. Booooo.

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Very interesting. I understand why people are up in arms about it, but I don't see it as being "the beginning of the end", and "taking away the magic" like some people are saying. And if it opposes what Walt would do, none of the parks should serve alcohol, especially Studios, where you can grab beers at multiple locations and walk over to the Walt Disney exhibit "One Man's Dream".

I also don't think there's anything with people having a choice. People won't be getting hammered at dinner and venturing out into the rest of the park without cast members noticing and taking the appropriate action. I'm sure it would be a lot easier to go to the Contemporary or 'Ohana and get half smashed and then make your way over to MK.

Good fodder for a friendly debate, though!

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strummer77 wrote:

I also don't think there's anything with people having a choice. People won't be getting hammered at dinner and venturing out into the rest of the park without cast members noticing and taking the appropriate action. I'm sure it would be a lot easier to go to the Contemporary or 'Ohana and get half smashed and then make your way over to MK.

I have been in Epcot during the F&W Fest and I have seen hammered guest walking around and being loud and no one does anything about it. That was just the loud drunks, not to mention the ones that couldn't walk a straight line or the tipsy ones. This is one of the reasons why we don't stay in Epcot after dinner during the F&W, especially on weekends.

I think MK should stay dry.

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strummer77 wrote:
. I'm sure it would be a lot easier to go to the Contemporary or 'Ohana and get half smashed and then make your way over to MK.

But you would never get in. I myself love a good Manhattan, or a cold lager, but I can do without it in the MK, just seems wrong. They got enough booze everywhere else, just like you said.

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Good fodder for a friendly debate, though!

Yes and please, lets keep it friendly, I'm sure this is one debate that could get out of hand really quick, as it is on other forums already.

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angels444 wrote:
I don't like it. It goes against Walt's vision. This is just the start to the down hill slope. They will see the money they make in the wine and beer sales and then it will show up in Tony's, and the round table.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm very disappointed in this move. There's so many other places on property to get a glass of wine. This is not good. Let's hope they can keep it at only BOG. Sad day.

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DISLIKE. Sad
It was just nice to see MK with no alcohol.
Now I can just see the " puke " style trash cans being installed at the tea cups. ( if you've been on the EPCOT tours, you will find the open top trash cans outside mission space are for the pukers!)
Not Walts vision.

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I'm with it since it's contained to a sit down restaurant. There's a difference between having a glass of fine wine or beer with a complimentary meal and walking around the park with a Bud Lite.

The thing I'm most confused about are their beer choices. Saison Dupont and Chimay Bleue are lovely, but you're really going to let Hoegaarden represent the Flanders region? I'm sure that the thyme-scented pork would pair nicely with a Duchesse de Bourgogne and the ratatouille with a De Koninck.

If I have anything to add to this conversation, it's my thoughts on beer. muchlove

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The Cookie Crumbler wrote:
I'm with it since it's contained to a sit down restaurant. There's a difference between having a glass of fine wine or beer with a complimentary meal and walking around the park with a Bud Lite.

The thing I'm most confused about are their beer choices. Saison Dupont and Chimay Bleue are lovely, but you're really going to let Hoegaarden represent the Flanders region? I'm sure that the thyme-scented pork would pair nicely with a Duchesse de Bourgogne and the ratatouille with a De Koninck.

If I have anything to add to this conversation, it's my thoughts on beer. muchlove

I love Hoegaarden and agree with you. I think he Saison and chimays have been around and true beer drinkers will enjoy them however Hoegaarden is such a lovely beer and easier on the American palate. I'm just thankful its not BlueMoon or some other nonsense.
As far as the OP is concerned. I think I'm ok with the new area having adult beverages. I don't normally drink alcoholic beverages and eat so it really won't affect me. Walt's vision as changed:facial hair, tattooes, it's been happening gradually. I don't think this is the end of the world. It's just keeping with the theme of the movie.

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Agreed. It's not the end of the world. Some changes disappoint me though.

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JoAnn C wrote:
I admit I'm not well versed in Disney history as most of you are. I've read that Walt didn't want alcohol in Disneyland but I haven't seen where the same was said for MK, only that it was made dry based on his wishes for Disneyland. A lot of comments made on this were "it's against Walt's wishes" but is it?

My answer to this is maybe, sort of.

Walt did come up with the concept of Club 33 in Disneyland to entertain corporate guests at a super club style restaurant in a more controlled environment. Club 33 serves alcohol, and opened with an alcohol license, a park wide alcohol license in 1967. Guests here (as far as I know, having never been myself) must be having dinner and order drinks from their servers, it's not a straight bar, it's a restaurant. Sadly, Club 33 opened 5 months after Walt passed away, so we don't really know what Walt would have thought after his first experience with serving at Disneyland.

I think it's fair to say that Walt believed that there was an appropriate time and place to serve alcohol. He did have a concept of where he wanted that to be in Disneyland prior to his death.

I feel that keeping the Be Our Guest service limited to dinner, and only for those dining with no "to go" orders, keeps in the spirit of Walt's alcohol vision for Club 33. It maintains the theme of the environment and preserves the overall experience of what a french restaurant is.

So... that's my $.02 on the historical perspective and Uncle Walt. Take it for what you paid for it. I don't for any reason consider myself a Disney historian. It could be right, it could be very very wrong, ultimately we'll never really know.

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I love Hoegaarden and agree with you. I think he Saison and chimays have been around and true beer drinkers will enjoy them however Hoegaarden is such a lovely beer and easier on the American palate. I'm just thankful its not BlueMoon or some other nonsense.

Haha, hadn't even considered that. It's true, Hoegaarden is closer to what a majority of Americans tend to prefer and still better than many options they could have gone with. If they'd chosen a witbier that is made in Colorado I think I'd have screamed.

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Kristen K. wrote:
JoAnn C wrote:
I admit I'm not well versed in Disney history as most of you are. I've read that Walt didn't want alcohol in Disneyland but I haven't seen where the same was said for MK, only that it was made dry based on his wishes for Disneyland. A lot of comments made on this were "it's against Walt's wishes" but is it?

My answer to this is maybe, sort of.

Walt did come up with the concept of Club 33 in Disneyland to entertain corporate guests at a super club style restaurant in a more controlled environment. Club 33 serves alcohol, and opened with an alcohol license, a park wide alcohol license in 1967. Guests here (as far as I know, having never been myself) must be having dinner and order drinks from their servers, it's not a straight bar, it's a restaurant. Sadly, Club 33 opened 5 months after Walt passed away, so we don't really know what Walt would have thought after his first experience with serving at Disneyland.

I think it's fair to say that Walt believed that there was an appropriate time and place to serve alcohol. He did have a concept of where he wanted that to be in Disneyland prior to his death.

I feel that keeping the Be Our Guest service limited to dinner, and only for those dining with no "to go" orders, keeps in the spirit of Walt's alcohol vision for Club 33. It maintains the theme of the environment and preserves the overall experience of what a french restaurant is.

So... that's my $.02 on the historical perspective and Uncle Walt. Take it for what you paid for it. I don't for any reason consider myself a Disney historian. It could be right, it could be very very wrong, ultimately we'll never really know.

Thanks Kristin. After I posted that question yesterday I was reading the comments on DFB and someone posted this link. It was originally posted in June but applies to the news posted yesterday. Two people can have different opinions on what Walt would do or say in a situation, but in the end we'll never know.

http://land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/walt_disney/

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I myself think they should keep MK dry. Just because.

Im with you Hub. The one thing that Epcot has going for it is the adult atmosphere. MK to me has always been more childish... at least to me... so while this doesn't bug me... I still wish they would have kept it dry. There are plenty of places along the monorail if you wanted a drink.

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That's a fantastic article, thanks so much for sharing it!

So many people forget that we as humans are works in progress always growing and changing. Walt had some great ideas, and he also had a bunch of clunkers, he was human and I think I love him all the more for it.

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Kristen K. wrote:
JoAnn C wrote:
It's not like people are going to be drinking all day and the getting on the Tea Cups (that would not be pretty rolling )

Eeew... I saw the results of that scenario at Great America last month, not pretty.

Ultimately this will save me a trip out of the park for a nice sit down dinner, so I'm pretty cool with the change. I know the community at large will be up in arms though.

Your "up in arms" comment reminded me of a situation here when a formerly dry restaurant got a license to sell beer and wine. "Keep it dry!" some people complained. "If people want to drink they should go to a bar!"

But some people don't want to "drink." We don't want to sit around downing glass after glass till we're silly, sick, or staggering. We want to enjoy a nice meal - emphasis on the food - with a glass of wine. (Or a slice or three of pizza with a beer.) We don't get drunk, or even a little tipsy. We aren't likely to find a first-rate meal (or even a first-rate pizza) in a bar, and we have no interest in dining alongside drunks. For us, having a drink with a meal isn't about the drink. It's about taking a good meal and making it better with a wine or beer that complements the food.

So thanks to WDW for giving us someplace where we can get a nice meal and a glass of wine without leaving MK.

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But some people don't want to "drink." We don't want to sit around downing glass after glass till we're silly, sick, or staggering. We want to enjoy a nice meal - emphasis on the food - with a glass of wine. (Or a slice or three of pizza with a beer.) We don't get drunk, or even a little tipsy. We aren't likely to find a first-rate meal (or even a first-rate pizza) in a bar, and we have no interest in dining alongside drunks. For us, having a drink with a meal isn't about the drink. It's about taking a good meal and making it better with a wine or beer that complements the food.

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Kristen K. wrote:
crazycatperson wrote:
But some people don't want to "drink." We don't want to sit around downing glass after glass till we're silly, sick, or staggering. We want to enjoy a nice meal - emphasis on the food - with a glass of wine. (Or a slice or three of pizza with a beer.) We don't get drunk, or even a little tipsy. We aren't likely to find a first-rate meal (or even a first-rate pizza) in a bar, and we have no interest in dining alongside drunks. For us, having a drink with a meal isn't about the drink. It's about taking a good meal and making it better with a wine or beer that complements the food.

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I myself think they should keep MK dry. Just because.

Im with you Hub. The one thing that Epcot has going for it is the adult atmosphere. MK to me has always been more childish... at least to me... so while this doesn't bug me... I still wish they would have kept it dry. There are plenty of places along the monorail if you wanted a drink.

ITA with you both! More families with little kids attend MK over the other parks. I'd hate to see a family vacation and a child's memory of Disney ruined by some drunken baffoon. Even if everyone was trying to be responsible, there's always that one bad apple that will ruin it for the rest. I really don't mind so much in AK,HS, and Epcot but MK should be left dry.

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Mase wrote:
mrhub wrote:
I myself think they should keep MK dry. Just because.

Im with you Hub. The one thing that Epcot has going for it is the adult atmosphere. MK to me has always been more childish... at least to me... so while this doesn't bug me... I still wish they would have kept it dry. There are plenty of places along the monorail if you wanted a drink.

ITA with you both! More families with little kids attend MK over the other parks. I'd hate to see a family vacation and a child's memory of Disney ruined by some drunken baffoon. Even if everyone was trying to be responsible, there's always that one bad apple that will ruin it for the rest. I really don't mind so much in AK,HS, and Epcot but MK should be left dry.

You can mark me as being on your side in this. One "land" out of four (along with ALL of the resorts) is not putting an undo hardship of any of the guests at WDW, there are still many watering holes around.

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