Survivor: Disney Princesses Edition - aka Grownups like Princesses Too :-)

You know... the whole point of the movie was a "one sided" change. Were talking about someone who didnt want to help an old lady and ends up becoming something horrible. In the village... we have someone who is arrogant and a punk. The Beast traps Belle's Dad, and in turn takes her as his prisoner. Where as if she married Gaston... she would still be a prisoner.

DD... you have opened my eyes to the one sidedness of that flick! If Belle could change the Beast, who in my opinion was more of a punk than Gaston... why couldnt she had changed Gaston as well?

Wow! Getting hot and heavy in here on this subject.

Snow White - 2
Cinderella- 4
Aurora - 4
Ariel - 4
Belle - 4
Jasmine - 3
Giselle - 1
Rapunzel - 3
Tiana - 1

Well I'm knocking 1 off Jasmine just because I'm old and love the classics.

Its definitely interesting if you think about it. We could really delve deep into this... heh

Jason writing on Gaston makes me think Belle would never go with him even more. Let me lay out my case

1. He is mean to people and acts like a bully.
2. He mocks her reading and doesn't like it " It's not right for a woman to read. Soon she starts getting ideas, and thinking..."
3. He doesn't care about anything BUT beauty
4. His violence at the end is MUCH scarier than the Beast ever is. The hatred and anger in his eyes scared me as a kid. He probably would have gotten abusive if he didn't get his way and Belle is WAY too smart to stick around that.

Arguments for the Beast

1. Yes, she is his prisoner, but...I have never seen someone in such a free "prison"
2. Instead of mocking books, he learns how to read so they can share it.
3. He learns from his arrogance and is always trying.
4. He is actually someone to pity. He has no idea how to deal with women, but he learns.
5. He has a personality that challenges Belle. They can have witty dialogue bicker, but they help each other become better people.

And Gaston is just a prick. He is that mean jock who thinks it is funny to push the smaller, dorky kids around.

But the only reason the Beast truly opens up is because of the people he is around (all the ones who have changed to) and in my opinion... they want to become human again more than the Beast. They were the reason why Belle got out of the dungeon.

Yes, but really, if you had spent years being called The Beast, would you even care anymore either? People have hunted him and mocked him since he was changed, i wouldn't trust anyone else either.

Snow White - 1
Cinderella- 4
Aurora - 4
Ariel - 4
Belle - 4
Jasmine - 3
Giselle - 1
Rapunzel - 3
Tiana - 1

Knocking Snow White - like the movie a lot, btu she is just eh.

Snow White - 1
Cinderella- 4
Aurora - 4
Ariel - 4
Belle - 4
Jasmine - 3
Giselle - 0
Rapunzel - 3
Tiana - 1

Sorry Giselle, your out. Enchanted just doesn't have the magic that some of the others have.

caitiesus, were you bullied at school? genuine question as it would help explain your aparent hatred of the type. I suffered some bullying when young, but now feel sorry for the perpetrators rather than angry and have had couple approach me later in life to apologise.

It's possible that Belle's influence could ultimately have softened Gaston, I guess that's one debate that could run and run unless B&TB2 answered the question.

Why yes I was - people who only have one eye often bullied by the arrogant jocks...including for reading all the time (it is something actually easy for semi-blind people to do). So that type pisses me off to no end. And in real life those types dont change. Ever

Snow White - 1
Cinderella- 4
Aurora - 4
Ariel - 4
Belle - 4
Jasmine - 3
Giselle - 0
Rapunzel - 3
Tiana - 0

It's been awhile since i've voted so I'm going to have to knock Tiana out. I was born in 84 so my favorite princesses definately come from that era of Ariel, belle, Jasmine. Now to just decide which one

It's a sad day ( Poor Tiana!

I know right. I totally love Tiana. At least she was motivated unlike some of the other princesses.

Snow White- 1
Cinderella- 4
Aurora- 3
Ariel- 4
Belle- 4
Jasmine- 3
Giselle- 0
Rapunzel- 3
Tiana- 0

I had to knock one off Aurora. I mean seriously the chick was sleep for part of the movie. Talk about about a useless damsel in distress. Still love the movie though. The politics of princess survivor are rough.

That is what made Tiana so amazing - I hope the kids today like her - lots to learn from her!

The beast was a touch of a grump wasn't he?

And in the name of fun...I am going to ding Auroraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

Snow White - 2
Cinderella- 4
Aurora - 3
Ariel - 4
Belle - 4
Jasmine - 4
Giselle - 1
Rapunzel - 3
Tiana - 1

Snow White- 1
Cinderella- 3
Aurora- 3
Ariel- 4
Belle- 4
Jasmine- 3
Giselle- 0
Rapunzel- 3
Tiana- 0

First, I'm dinging Cinderella. Call me shallow, she's the least attractive.

As for the great Gaston v. Beast debate, I can't believe there's even a question. Look at my commentary in this week's Jolly Holiday about Gaston (how's that for product placement?). Gaston is the VILLAIN. He's a bully. He's arrogant. He's vain to the point of narcissism. He's not that bright. He's manipulative. He's sneaky. He's mysoginistic. He's shallow. Most important to this "debate" -- he is unmovable and unchanging. Gaston will not change - ever. That's the whole point.
To say anything else is to completely miss the point of the movie - and this is a message I'm pretty sure most of the kids who watch the movie can easily take away from it.

Are people on here REALLY taking the bully's side?

He's a great CHARACTER, certainly, but he is NOT even CLOSE to a good person.

Yes, yes..but ever girl has to fall for a bad boy don't they? It's the reason so many accountants eventually get married.

Also... yes he is the villain. But that isnt what is being discussed. Whats being discussed is the fact COULD Belle had changed him in the same situation. To say no one cant change is a cop out. Anyone can change. They would need to want to. Beast at first didnt want to change, but changed because his friends needed him to. Put Gaston in that same situation... I bet he would have. But it was who he was surrounded with. I bet if Belles Dad didnt get caught... and life kept going... eventually Belle would had given him the low down, and would say if you want me... you have to change. He liked Belle that much... he would.

I think you're very wrong, Mase. Gaston doesn't like Belle. He likes the IDEA of her. He likes that she's "the most beautiful girl in town." He didn't give a damn about who she was - in fact, he MOCKS HER because of who she is. ALL he cared about was that she was beautiful and she would make a good trophy (the symbolism on that is CRYSTAL clear -- "I use antlers in all of my decorating").

Say Belle had gone along with him and gotten married. The second he was bored with her, he'd be off after the next beautiful thing. I don't know if you are familiar with it, but a good example of this type of character would be Cinderella's Prince in "Into the Woods." He's very much like Gaston, and Cinderella does marry him. You know what happens in the second act? The second he gets bored with Cinderella, he cheats on her. He continues "THE CHASE" which is all he cares about. He's a predator who, once he gets what he wants, simply goes to the next chase.

Beast was not like that. He was foolish and ignorant, but he had a kind heart. He actually cared about who Belle was - the whole point was he COULD change.

Gaston absolutely would not change.

soooo.. here's my post that sorta "started it all"... it was a tongue-in-cheek comment that was meant to be funny.. Someone earlier admitted to wanting to sulk if Belle didnt win and kinda went off after reading this post.

My suggestion is this: humor. google THAT.

Can we all just agree that some people like certain princesses and movies and others dont. I've always been more partial to Ariel but I can see that she was kind of a brat. Belle always seemed to be kinda "stuck up" to me.. but.. that is just MY opinion.
Have a magical day

Sorry, DonaldDork, but you can't have it both ways. You wrote:

"I dont miss the point.. sometimes looks matter! besides the beast was a jerk too! Gaston would have changed.. all he needed was a good woman! haha

I COULD CHANGE HIM! I COULD!"

THAT'S what started the debate.

That's not humor...them's fighting words! (THAT'S humor! )

All im saying is... if someone wants something enough. They. Will. Change.

As for humor. Im with ya DD... Belle is naughty... lol. Just think its an interesting topic once expanded on. Heh

ohhh you must have missed a post then.. because THAT was my attempt to "disarm" the start of the debate.

No matter, I stick to my statement that Gaston is way hotter than Adam/Beast and I bet if ANYONE could change him it'd be Belle.

I still think, if you think that, you may have missed the point of the movie...

But that's just me.

I think its time for me to go again, and since the two I like least are gone. Ill go with a tough one to get it out of the way because I dont like voting on the same one twice. Going with Belle. I feel she will win out... but after these conversations. Im leaning more to one than the other now. Plus I like making things interesting... heh

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But my reasoning for dinging her now is like I said... I dont ding twice. So if it came down to Ariel and Belle, and I had already dinged Ariel... id have to ding Belle, and I dont want that vote to come down to either the 1, or the 0. So my point is I ding her now... that way if it came to it... I wouldnt vote her down.

If your so against Gaston....why is he your avatar? Not trying to be mean....just wondering

Wait....his name is Adam? LOL

I'm not against Gaston at all. I think he's a fantastic character. One of Disney's best, in fact. He also has some of my favorite lines in the movie.
The avatar also perfectly complements Caitie's since she often says things that lead me to make comments like "there are no pictures" while she looks on disapprovingly. Only difference is - I still get the girl in the end

I'm only against the idea that Belle could change him. I think the idea of Gaston is that as a foil for Beast he shows WHY Beast is so great.

And yeah, I didn't know Beast's name was Adam either!

As for voting:
Snow White- 1
Cinderella- 3
Aurora- 3
Ariel- 3
Belle- 3
Jasmine- 3
Giselle- 0
Rapunzel- 3
Tiana- 0

Guess I have to even the playing field and knock Ariel. As much as I like her, the more I think about this (and I've been thinking about it way too much), why IS she so self-hating that she'd change her species?

yes! According to Dave Smith.. who recently just retired as the official Disney Historian/Trivia Master/keeper of the Archives, in his book the Official Encyclopedia of Disney, he says his name is Prince Adam.
It is also an answer in the CD-ROM game, the D-Show... which was out in.. I'd say.. 1998ish.