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I'll offer some insight here, but please feel free to ask any questions you may have. If I don't know the answer off the top of my head, I should be able to figure it out without too much trouble. I have worked in every area of this type of restaurant. In a supervisory capacity, I worked as a server, host, bartender, bar-back, manager, and expediter. I opened the restaurant, closed the restaurant, checked out the servers, ran the paperwork, etc. Later in my career, I worked exclusively in the kitchen. I worked as the outside expo, inside expo, prep cook, grille cook, sautee cook, fry cook, you name it.

I'm going to try to stick to fine dining, or at least upscale casual restaurants as it's hard to quantify good service at say Waffle House.

[ul][li]If your food arrives at your table on a hot plate, that means your food was sitting up in the window for long enough for the plate to get hot from the heat lamp. This happens when the kitchen gets behind or some entrees at your table were done long before others. While it may not be a big deal to you, it means your food is not as fresh as it should be. The kitchen knows how long each item takes to prepare and they are supposed to be ready at the same time. This is common in high-volume restaurants, but should not be tolerated where standards are higher such as a fine dining environment.[/li][/ul][ul][li]At a fine restaurant, you should not have to ask for things that have clearly run out. Your drinks should be refilled before they are empty. Your bread/rolls/bruschetta/whatever should be replenished before you have to ask for more.[/li][/ul][ul][li]When your food arrives at your table, your order should be placed in front of you. The server (or food runner) should not call out "So who had the pork chops?". This is known as auctioning food and is unacceptable in an upscale restaurant (is even frowned upon in many mid-scale restaurants). When your order is taken, your server is supposed to note your position at the table. At many fine restaurants, servers are not even permitted to write down your order. This is a sight to see at a table of ten or more.
[/li][/ul]A bit of general information about tipping:

Servers typically don't make anything other than their tips. At the last restaurant I worked at, servers made $2.13/hr which didn't even cover taxes. With that in mind, the amount of the tip should be proportional to the quality of the work. I like to start at 20% and go up or down from their depending on the service. If the service is decent, with no major issues, I'll tip 20%. If the service had a few issues, I may tip 15%. I very seldom go below that, but there are times where it's warranted. If the service is better than average, I'll gladly tip more than my average (20%). If the server does an excellent job, especially while very busy or facing other challenges, don't be afraid to show them your appreciation by tipping generously. On the other hand, I feel it's important to understand a busy restaurant is not an acceptable excuse for poor service. The door controls how and when tables are sat, and it is their responsibility to ensure the kitchen is not overwhelmed. Similarly, a server that can only handle three tables at a time should not be given six. You should not be made to suffer because of mismanagement. It is easy for me to isolate the cause of these type of issues. If you are unsure who is responsible for your poor service, reconsider your small tip as it may have nothing to do with your server.

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I'll update as I think of anything else to add. Again, feel free to ask any questions.

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Great information, LifL! Thanks very much! I would never have known that about the hot plates.

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I didn't know about the hot plates either! I figured that meant the food was FRESH, not hot-lamped. Yuck.

Also, thanks for saying that bad service isn't always the servers fault. I think it's pretty easy to determine whether the server is not on the ball vs. whether they're dealing with challenges in the kitchen or elsewhere. We customarily tip 20% and never go below 15%, like you.

Quick question: I've always been told that it's more helpful to the server to pay the tip in cash instead of via credit card. Is this true? And why?

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bali wrote:

Quick question: I've always been told that it's more helpful to the server to pay the tip in cash instead of via credit card. Is this true? And why?

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In my experience, it's just easier to deal with cash. It takes longer at the end of the night to go through credit card receipts, then they have to be processed (so the server gets the tip money). Cash is quicker, easier, and a lot of servers like the "flexibility" that allows as far as taxes. It should be noted though that plastic is the norm these days. As a rule, I don't carry cash, so I'm as guilty as the next patron.

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Great question, bali. I've wondered that, too, but haven't ever been sure about the legality of the tax situation. Is the problem that some servers don't report an accurate amount of income when paid in cash?

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Yes Admin, many servers no not accurately report their earnings. In my experience more do not, than do report accurately.

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Running out of drinks is our biggest service peeve.

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Thought of another...

The quality of the restaurant (or price) should not determine your gratuity. If your server does an excellent job at the local diner, show them your appreciation just as you might at Ruth's Chris (or other fine restaurant).

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One more...

Ever wonder what your server is doing when they're in the back, or otherwise are nowhere to be found? Well, there is not much work for them to do outside the dining room. The only thing that servers most always have to do is known as 'side work'. That consists of simple maintenance duties such as folding linens (or rolling silverware), refilling condiments, maybe a simple duty like cleaning the coffee maker at the end of the shift or refilling the ice machine. Most of these duties are taken care of at the end of the shift, for obvious reasons. Many servers will take care of these tasks while they still have tables seated, but they're meant to be done when their last table has finished. If a server can take care of these things while they have tables seated (and many do), while providing good service there's nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, if your server disappears on you, they're probably not doing anything that should take precedence over you. So, if you're dining late in the evening (or toward the end of another shift i.e. lunch) and you can't find your server, now you know where they're likely to be.

p.s. You should be able to tell if your server is busy helping out in another area such as helping take another server's drink orders or running food.

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On gratuity: We usually tip 20% for good (or decent) service. When you say to tip the same at the diner as at Ruth's Chris, so you mean percentage-wise or actual dollar amount?

Also that last one reminds me of something we just can't stand: when we have no drinks, we're missing a piece of silverware, or something else and a server is nowhere to be found for upwards of 10 minutes...then they come back to the table smelling horribly of cigarette smoke. First of all, I don't want to smell that while I'm eating, and second, if you're taking a break, isn't it possible to ask another server to keep an eye on your tables?

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SpaceAce, the amount of gratuity will (or should) certainly vary depending on where you're eating and the price of your meal. I meant the way you tip, as in the percentages and what you base said percentages on.

With regard to servers smoking when they should be taking care of their tables, no there is no reason they can't have someone else keep an eye on their table(Drunk. That's my point exactly, it's just lazy.

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It wouldn't even occur to me to vary the percentage I tip based on the caliber of restaurant, but now that I think about it I could see why some people would have higher expectations at more expensive restaurants -- therefore possibly tipping LOWER there than at diners and such.

Good point, SpaceAce, on the servers leaving for extended periods of time and sending nobody to check in. I recently was served a bowl of soup and didn't notice until after the server left the table that I had no spoon. I was sitting there for at least 10 minutes waiting for a way to eat my soup!

LIFL-- is it appropriate, in your opinion, to ask for something from another server passing by if you don't see your server anywhere? I hate to do that, because I don't know if tips are shared...

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LIFL-- is it appropriate, in your opinion, to ask for something from another server passing by if you don't see your server anywhere? I hate to do that, because I don't know if tips are shared...

Well, typically tips are not shared and many servers would not like to have someone else tend to their table. That said, if they are not meeting your needs, feel free to ask someone else. Just try to be mindful of what that (the other) server is doing as well; if they are all sorts of busy, it may be best to just wait a bit. There are times when I feel the need to ask someone other than my server for something. When you do, that should be a clear indicator to your server they are not taking care of their responsibilities.

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As far as tipping I pretty much go solely on the quality of service. If they're good they get 20% and I can go above that if they're great. I rarely go below 15% unless they are AWFUL, but I pretty much apply that rule regardless of the kind of restaurant.

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LifeIsForLiving wrote:
bali wrote:

LIFL-- is it appropriate, in your opinion, to ask for something from another server passing by if you don't see your server anywhere? I hate to do that, because I don't know if tips are shared...

Well, typically tips are not shared and many servers would not like to have someone else tend to their table. That said, if they are not meeting your needs, feel free to ask someone else. Just try to be mindful of what that (the other) server is doing as well; if they are all sorts of busy, it may be best to just wait a bit. There are times when I feel the need to ask someone other than my server for something. When you do, that should be a clear indicator to your server they are not taking care of their responsibilities.

Great question. I always feel bad when I have to ask another server for something.

I've been known to ask another server to let OUR server know that we need something in particular... not sure if that's appropriate or not...

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I try to tip in cash if I can. There are actually some places (it depends on that state I know OH is one) where there is sometimes a fee for using a credit card and the waiters are sometimes the ones that suffer. There was a whole report on it done by Connie Schultz.

I hate it when a server disappears for a long time - especially at the end of a meal. Once, Jason and I were waiting for 15 minutes for our check and saw no one, so we added up our meals, figured out tax and just left the cash.

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They'd usually prefer cash because it's easier to avoid taxes on as well, right?

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Last night, Donna & I went out to dinner at a large chain restaurant with my daughter. It was a place where the food has always be excellant and service well above the norm. But I was a little stunned by what happened to DD.

Not a big deal...BUT...she ordered a mixed drink...a strawberry something or other that was supposed to have strawberry chunks or pieces in it. When she got it...no strawberries. She ask about them and the waitress said 'guess we didnt get a shipment of them...the bar is out'. My DD ask if they had peaches...and was told...'let me check'. She returned with a small plate with about 6 slices of peaches of it.

My question is...shouldnt DD have been told the bar didnt have strawberries? Isnt the waitstaff supposed to know about shortages...no matter what part of the restaurant the order is coming from?

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Seriously. That's a terrible waiter who just assumes you want something other than what you ordered. "We don't have what you said you wanted so here's something else." Unless it's on the house I would have been a bit miffed myself.

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When she got it...no strawberries. She ask about them and the waitress said 'guess we didnt get a shipment of them...the bar is out'. My DD ask if they had peaches...and was told...'let me check'. She returned with a small plate with about 6 slices of peaches of it.

On one hand, I can't imagine everyone could know everything the restaurant is out of, but on the other hand, if the waiter is the point person between the kitchen and the person ordering, they should be able to give an FYI on how things might be changed or substituted!

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cdub - Indeed, as mentioned above, some do prefer cash simply to pay less taxes.

Caitie - Restaurants and other businesses all over the country have to pay those same fees. As a rule, any business (large or small) that accepts credit cards has to pay those fees which are a percentage of the amount charged (around 2% average). Some more info here.

The variance lies in how business are trying to counter said fee. As this fee (which many feel is totally unnecessary or excessive) cuts directly and substantially into many businesses profit, some are compensating by making the servers shoulder the burden. While I understand the motivation of these businesses, as these are tough times for us all, passing said hardship to servers is not going to work out well for anyone. Servers will continue to be embittered by this, hurting service; and many servers will encourage patrons to pay with cash, sometimes tactfully and sometimes not.

M&D - A restaurant running out of something is very common. It is, absolutely, your server's responsibility to inform you of any such issue. Restaurants keep close tabs on what they are out of. When an integral part of a menu item is not available, that item is 86'd (taken off the menu temporarily). It is not uncommon for a server to find out something has run out when they get back to the kitchen, or to the bar, but the customer should be consulted before the item is delivered. Ideally, the customer would be advised at the time the item is ordered. Such as: "I'll have a strawberry daiquiri please", server: "I'm sorry, we've just run out of fresh strawberries. Would you still like the strawberry daiquiri, or would you like to try my favorite, the peach daiquiri?" At the very least, the server should point out something is missing when the item is delivered to make sure that is acceptable to the customer. Normally the kitchen or bar will advise the server immediately if they put an order in for something with missing ingredients. Even if the kitchen/bar staff drop the ball, the server should be familiar enough with the menu items to recognize something paramount to the drink or dish is missing.

Annie - For me, there's not much difference between asking another server to let your server know you need something or just asking them for what you need. The end result is much the same in either case. That is, if your server has not attended to your needs because they are genuinely busy, another server advising them of your needs is not going to accomplish much in the way of getting your needs met more quickly. If your server has not met your needs because they are out back smoking or otherwise 'hanging out', they will likely be just as indignant whether you ask another server to perform one of their duties or ask another server to advise them of said needs.

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Hey there, just a bump in case anyone has had any notable restaurant experiences pertaining to service or have had any questions come up.

I can't think of any remarkably good service at the moment, but I did have remarkably bad service somewhat recently. It may have been on our way back from Baltimore actually (where we flew out of for our last WDW trip), but I'll have to confer with DW on that. In any case, we stopped at Bob Evans on the way home (if you haven't been, it's like Cracker Barrel only better IMHO). We found it via GPS and upon arriving, I expressed a bit on concern to DW that it was in the ghetto. When I say ghetto, I mean more than a littler. We're talking high ratio of check-cashing places and liquor stores. This particular block didn't look unsafe though, so we decided to head inside. As we entered, my concerns only grew as we realized the employees too were ghetto - we watched several openly bicker completely ignoring us as we waited to be greeted and seated. We're pretty patient and were rather hungry, so did not take issue with this. Unfortunately, it was indeed a portent of things to come. When our server finally greeted us after we were seated for a while, she was not overly friendly but not rude. She went through the motions, but we got a sense she felt like we were inconveniencing her like there was something she'd rather be doing (while at work). She forgot part of our order (think it was the milk I had ordered with my breakfast), but other than that things went okay with our meal. After our meals were delivered however, we never saw her again. We waited and waited and waited, just in case she was in the weeds with her three tables. Finally I had to get up and ask someone else if they could please have her bring our check. I kid you not, the young lady I asked did not take one step from where she stood, turned her head and yelled "Ay Keesha, they need they check!" across the restaurant. Keesha didn't say much of anything, and did bring our check a few minutes later with no apology or explanation. At Bob Evans, you pay at the cashier up front. When we walked up with our check, the young lady that yelled at Keesha for us and another employee were arguing and cussing at each other (again completely oblivious to us and the other customers waiting). This was one of the only times in my life I left no tip.

p.s. At least the food was good.

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I did think of good service recently. We've had good service most every time at Houlihan's. Normally when we eat there it's with a large group as part of a sponsored dinner. As is often the case with parties of twenty or more, we ordered from a limited menu but all the items are delicious and they are happy to make substitutions when necessary. At one of the dinners, an enterprising server asked us if we wanted to order some additional items from the menu as appetizers while we waited for our entrees. Probably doesn't sound out of the ordinary right? Well, here's the thing, this type of dinner is on a contract basis (as in none of the people present are paying for it). I haven't dealt with the contract or billing at all, so I'm not sure what the how things are done in this case but I suspect the dinners are not prepaid as we usually don't have an exact head-count. So whether she was trying to make a couple extra bucks or not, it was good thinking on her part and improved the quality of the meal for everyone.

Later when my mom and brother were in town, we took them there for lunch. Patronizing a business you often enjoy for free is really saying something in my book; especially one that's a bit pricey. Even though it was lunch, our server was extremely attentive and right on top of our every need (service levels are typically lower at lunch). My brother is a bit needy, perhaps even a tad difficult. He asks for things like copious amounts of two different types of dressings for his salad, then almost always asks for more. Our server was engaging, genuinely friendly, prebussed our table right away, brought us new drinks before we asked for refills (even had the intuitive sense to ask after the first couple if we wanted another), asked if we wanted dessert (BEFORE bringing our check), brought extra plates/bowls/spoons for the desserts she knew we would be sharing, she did everything right. I realize these things may not sound too out of the ordinary, but she was great - every step of the way. Though it was the most expensive lunch meal I have, personally, ever purchased (and I was a bit shocked) I tipped her very well. She earned it.

p.s. If anyone's wondering, it is what I would consider an upscale casual restaurant. To my recollection it was over $100, pre-tip, for lunch for four (with three desserts).

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We have a local restaurant that's really good food, but the service varies from "pretty bad" to "absolutely horrible." 3/4ths of the times we go we swear off going back but the food always lures us back. If they'd just improve their food it would be one of our favorite places. The hostess is really mean too. It's terrifying.

LifeIsForLiving -- I can't remember if we have Houlihan's here. It's a chain right? It sounds familiar.

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A few weeks ago Caitie and I were at a Houlihans -- while we waited for our table the hostess and waitresses were talking LOUDLY about what they'd be doing after work, swearing, talking about sex - it was UNBELIEVABLE! If it wasn't that everywhere else would be crowded we probably would have left, but I couldn't BELIEVE they were talking like that -- then, we THINK it was their manager, JOINED IN!

We also learned there - appetizers really good; entrees not so much.

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A few weeks ago Caitie and I were at a Houlihans -- while we waited for our table the hostess and waitresses were talking LOUDLY about what they'd be doing after work, swearing, talking about sex - it was UNBELIEVABLE! If it wasn't that everywhere else would be crowded we probably would have left, but I couldn't BELIEVE they were talking like that -- then, we THINK it was their manager, JOINED IN!

We also learned there - appetizers really good; entrees not so much.

Geeze, that's a bummer. Next time try the one in Hershey; everything's better here awesome

Brad, it is a chain. I can't vouch for any other locations, but the one here has been excellent every time I've been there.

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We have a local restaurant that's really good food, but the service varies from "pretty bad" to "absolutely horrible." 3/4ths of the times we go we swear off going back but the food always lures us back. If they'd just improve their food it would be one of our favorite places. The hostess is really mean too. It's terrifying.

I think you mean if they'd improve their service, right Brad? I know the kind of place you're talking about. It's amazing what good food will do to keep people coming in, even if the service is horrifying.

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I just learned tonight that the Houlihan's here is apparently owned by Hershey's. I'm not sure if that is the case elsewhere, but I'm told it is here. Perhaps that's why it's so fantastic wink

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I just learned tonight that the Houlihan's here is apparently owned by Hershey's. I'm not sure if that is the case elsewhere, but I'm told it is here. Perhaps that's why it's so fantastic wink

That's certainly a possibility. Restaurants owned by Disney are much better than restaurants not owned by Disney in the Orlando area as a general rule.

Man, I wanna come check out Hershey. Haven't been there in who knows how long. I bet it's changed a lot since my childhood.

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SpaceAce wrote:
LifeIsForLiving wrote:
I just learned tonight that the Houlihan's here is apparently owned by Hershey's. I'm not sure if that is the case elsewhere, but I'm told it is here. Perhaps that's why it's so fantastic wink

That's certainly a possibility. Restaurants owned by Disney are much better than restaurants not owned by Disney in the Orlando area as a general rule.

Man, I wanna come check out Hershey. Haven't been there in who knows how long. I bet it's changed a lot since my childhood.

Honestly, that's one of my favorite things about Hershey. It has changed a good bit, but at the same time it's just as it was. They have worked very hard to keep a lot of the things the same. Things like the small town nature, the beauty, the low crime rate, etc. It's still just as good of a place to raise a family now as it was then. In my experience, that's pretty uncommon for a place to stay that way for decades.