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Sun, 05/24/2009 - 15:32

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Vegas, bay-beeee!

OK, here goes the Vegas thread. I'll keep the start pretty simple.

I'm in the media business and it seems like every meeting in our industry is done in Vegas, so for about a dozen years I was there 2-3 times a year.

To me, the biggest misconception about going to Vegas is that you're going to spend a lot of money.

You can. You don't have to.

I go to Vegas for the people, the experience, the food, the shows. I don't go to gamble. Some people might say its a wasted trip, but thats not my opinion. I've been on trips where I spent $50 gambling, $5 gambling and once spent four nights there and never spent a penny. I actually spent more in the hotel arcade playing Area 51 than I did gambling.

OK, I'm the exception to the rule and trust me I have NOTHING against gambling. I just came to a realization a LONG time ago that for every time I won something, there would be ten times I didn't, so I watch everyone else's highs and lows on the tables and slots.

Enough of that.

Vegas doesn't have to be expensive. Flights are cheap. Hotels can be VERY cheap, and so can food. You can also spend a LOT on food, but we're Disney freaks so we're all USED to that, right? Keep in mind you can spend a few bucks on a meal, and you can spend a hundred. (I've done both, except somebody ELSE was paying for the hundred dollar meal)

It is also one travel destination where I tend to NOT get a car because of the ease of getting around and primarily because of the congestion on the Strip.

I've also done a lot of the shows, many of which aren't there any more so we can talk about those as well.

As for hotel talk, I'll tell you my favorites, mostly determined by location.

Strip - city end favorites (Mirage or TI)
Strip - opposite end (New York New York)
Downtown - Golden Nugget

You can spend a BUNCH on hotels, or very little. You can also find a great hotel in a perfect location for a third of what the one next door costs. I tend to find myself in the middle somewhere. I don't do the Venetian or Caesar's or the new Wynn. I have done the ones listed above, MGM, Excalibur, Luxor and probably others. In fact one of the best buys I ever found was the Barbary Coast, which was a GREAT room right in the middle of things and was $59 a night.

Shows are expensive and there are few ways around that. If you go to a Cirques show or one of the big reviews you are going to spend the cash. Some lesser cost ones I've enjoyed are 'The Fab Four' (Beatles tribute group which has appeared at several casinos over the years) and George Wallace (the comedian).

Mostly I entertain myself with the FREE stuff there is in Vegas. The lights, the dancing fountains, the music.

It is a GREAT town, so let the conversation begin!

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Sun, 05/24/2009 - 22:34

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Hi,

Another story. Perhaps a mini trip report.

I went to Las Vegas (which means "The Meadows" in Spanish) on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 (Ash Wednesday, which may have gotten a stern warning from God for this Christian, right about the time Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" came out). I don't know how cheap the flight was, but I'd bought a package from my travel agent that included round-trip airfare, three nights at the Mirage, a viewing of Cirque de Soleil "Mystere" at Treasure Island, a Grand Canyon excursion, and airport transfers for $672.00.

It was an early flight, leaving Philly at 7:00 AM EST, and very uneventful, landing at Las Vegas' McCarran International Airport at around 9:30 AM PST. The fly-in view of the Grand Canyon was better than the view of it up close I would get the following day. I was blown away by seeing slot machines in the airport, which is at the southern end of Las Vegas Boulevard (aka "The Strip") in a north-south orientation.

I quickly got my checked baggage from the carousel and walked through the airport to the transportation desk. Presenting my ticket, I soon got on a shuttle van to the Mirage. At thirty stories, this was, and still is, the tallest hotel in which I had ever stayed, and probably the most expensive. At check-in, the clerk gave me an offer that I couldn't refuse: for $50.00 more per night I could upgrade to a suite. So I pulled out my credit card and did the deed.

A king bed (the first I'd ever slept in), whirpool tub, and a view of the volcano on the twenty-eighth floor. I looked for the closet so I could hang up my jacket, but didn't realize before I called the front desk for help that this place isn't the All Stars, and it had a wooden armoire, not a closet. Embarrassed, I called back and apologized when I figured that out.

More later, as I leave for a Bible study.

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Sun, 05/24/2009 - 23:13

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MouseTraveler - What do you think about the Flamingo? Have you stayed in any of the renovated GoRooms? Gary & I are planning to go next spring & I was interested in staying there. He also likes MGM after he stayed there a couple times.

Have you gone in late April before? My B-Day is April 23rd & I thought it would be nice to tie the trip into my b-day after looking at the weather averages. What is your favorite time of the year to go?

I have a zillion questions, but I'll stick to a couple at a time

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@Jim--That's hilarious that you couldn't find the "closet!" I would've done the same thing!! Looking forward to more of the trip report.

@MT--What's the price range of hotels in Vegas? Any chance you can equate a few of your favorites to their comparative "equals" in WDW?? Also, where do you get good food--the hotels or elsewhere?

Now, forgive me in advance for this, because you're not going to like how I phrase the question: can't Vegas be kind of...well...sleazy? And, if so, is it easy to avoid attractions that might feed that (mis)conception? (I TOLD you that you wouldn't like it...)

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 00:58

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Leota wrote:

MouseTraveler - What do you think about the Flamingo? Have you stayed in any of the renovated GoRooms? Gary & I are planning to go next spring & I was interested in staying there. He also likes MGM after he stayed there a couple times.

Have you gone in late April before? My B-Day is April 23rd & I thought it would be nice to tie the trip into my b-day after looking at the weather averages. What is your favorite time of the year to go?

I have a zillion questions, but I'll stick to a couple at a time

One of our meetings was at the Flamingo, although it was before any kind of renovations. It was a wonderful property so you'd be fine. When I was looking at the site, they put me up in a mini-suite and it was GREAT! Location on the Flamingo is good too, as you are right in the middle of the strip.

I've been in April many times, as the NAB convention is normally the 3rd or 4th week of April. Weather is usually wonderful that time of year.

I did go in late July or early August one for a wedding. Although it is VERY warm, you can get around OK during that time by making your transitions from hotel to hotel internally. A lot of them are connected via tunnels or shops.

The only time that is a bit 'iffy' is winter. Another convention we frequent is in January, and normally the days are very nice, but the evenings can get a bit chilly AND very windy!!

As for me, I've been in winter, spring, summer AND fall, and I like that April-May time frame. It should be warm enough to do whatever you want, but not too hot that you suffer for it.

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 02:07

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bali wrote:

@MT--What's the price range of hotels in Vegas? Any chance you can equate a few of your favorites to their comparative "equals" in WDW?? Also, where do you get good food--the hotels or elsewhere?

Now, forgive me in advance for this, because you're not going to like how I phrase the question: can't Vegas be kind of...well...sleazy? And, if so, is it easy to avoid attractions that might feed that (mis)conception? (I TOLD you that you wouldn't like it...)

OK, let me work this one a bit.

First of all, in Vegas, not only will the quality of the hotel determine the price, but so will the location. Most of your big, and highest priced hotels are centrally located.

Also, where most resorts will have seasonal prices by month or time of year, Vegas can be seasonal by the week. A room that is $179 a night one week, might be $95 the next, simply because the convention business is down that week. Conventions determine the rates in Las Vegas, period.

Its hard to compare Vegas & Disney. Vegas has SO many top line hotels and the difference between #1 and #20 in Vegas is probably not that much.

This may not make much sense, but I would venture to say that the BEST Vegas hotels are better than the best Disney hotels, but the low end Disney hotels are probably better than the low end Vegas hotels.

As for restaurants, the hotels put out two types of food. Mass produced and their upper end restaurants. I've eaten some GREAT meals in the hotels, and other meals that could have been from Denny's. The hotels offer food that will help you contain your costs, but you may want to get out and experience some "non hotel" dinners.

One that comes to mind is a little place called 'Batista's Hole In The Wall' Italian Restaurant. it is less than a block off the strip and really IS a "hole in the wall". But it is great food, great atmosphere and you shouldn't miss it. (Last time I was in there, Sandra Bullock was there as well.)

Another fun one is the restaurant at the top of the Stratosphere. You're 900+ feet above the Las Vegas strip in a restaurant that makes a complete rotation while you're having dinner, plus you can step outside for the view and to take part in some of the amusements they have up there.

There's a ton of others.

As for spending, you can spend what you want. I would guess you could get a room from $50 to $250 a night and be totally happy based on your tastes. Just consider what its going to take to get around, what other things you like to do and the proximity to them.

As for the 'sleazy' question, you aren't insulting me, because I have NO idea what you are talking about. If you are talking about hookers or strip clubs or whatever, sure they are there, but they aren't going to bother you.

The biggest sleaze I can think of is all the pamphlets that they hire Mexicans to hand out on the strip. They are pretty graphic, but the distributors don't talk to you and you don't have to take them.

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 02:23

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Hello again,

I think I should warn those of you unfamiliar with my (infrequent) trip reports that they can be very detailed and rather long. I just hope they're not boring.

On my previous vacations, I don't think, with the exception of the Radisson Cable Beach Resort in Nassau, Bahamas from May 24-28, 1999, I had stayed in a hotel room that cost more than $US100.00/night. That trip, the last my mother ever took (she died a little over seven months later) was to an all-inclusive resort. But I digress; like my deceased father, I have champagne tastes but a domestic beer budget. On this Vegas trip, staying in a hotel that my cousin Lori, based on brochure pictures at my house, labeled "decadent", was a new experience.

After hanging up from the front desk, I relaxed a bit on the king bed, on the pillows of which were wrapped mints. I may have napped a bit, but more likely, I rooted around in the drawer of the night table for some guides. I wanted to see what there was to do in this town besides gamble. Then I got hungry.

I found myself at a disadvantage in Las Vegas, particularly on the Strip, as a nondriver. Maybe not so much, upon seeing the vehicular traffic. The casino hotels are enormous, covering at least two blocks apiece. After walking up and down the Strip all day, right past the "porn slappers"--people who slap advertisements for brothels on their hands and hand them out, the whirlpool tub in my suite was welcome. Prostitution is legal in four Nevada counties, but not in Clark County (where Vegas sits) or in Las Vegas itself.

I was hungry, but for food, not for sex (after breaking up with my first girlfriend in August, 2002, I had no interest in dating). I put on a light jacket, left my room and took the elevator down to the casino floor. I walked through the casino and out the front door, which must have been a distance of three-quarters of a mile. The casinos provide a moving walkway to get you in, but you're on your own leaving.

I think a lot of people who like Disney parks and resorts also like Las Vegas, because both places feature a lot of themeing, although in Sin City the themeing is more "in your face". For example, Treasure Island, next door to and accessible by tram from the Mirage, is pirate-themed; Luxor, Egyptian; and Excalibur, medieval. I got a kick out of it.

By the time I thought about leaving and got to the corner, it was 3:45 PM PST. I was still on Eastern time, so my body thought it was quarter to seven. No wonder I was hungry. But I wasn't sure for what. Something simple. Reading either a thread on Vegas before I left home, or a brochure when I got to Las Vegas, I got the impression that some of the best deals can be had in the hotel coffeehouses. I settled on the Tea Room in the Imperial Palace.

The Mirage was on southern Las Vegas Boulevard; and the Imperial Palace, which looks like a Japanese pagoda, is about two blocks south across the street. Crossing the Strip on foot is no easy task; that is why there are elevated walkways at the major intersections. I got to Imperial Palace and when I walked in, I asked for directions to the Tea Room. Upstairs, I was told. There's an escalator at the far end of the casino floor, and at the top, to the left, was the Tea Room.

I had a six-ounce filet mignon wrapped in bacon, with three large shrimp and potatoes. with iced tea to drink, all for about $US12.00 including tax. It was very good. But I wasn't done. I had also heard, or read, that there was a Ghirardelli's Chocolate Shoppe behind the hotel, so I went there for a chocolate milkshake. Yum!

After dessert, exhausted from my first day in Vegas, I returned to the Mirage suite C28, and went to bed, getting up once to watch the volcano go off in sparks and noise, which it did on the hour between 7:00 PM and midnight.

Jim

Mon, 05/25/2009 - 02:28

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Jim brings up a good point. Some of the best meals can be found in a place you might not expect. I'm thinking mainly about the late night "steak and eggs" type meals for four or five bucks.

As my wife said one night about 2AM as we ate a $3 steak breakfast, "its not the BEST meal I've ever eaten, but I've spent a LOT more money for one that was worse!"

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 04:04

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Ah, Vegas. My favorite vacation destination. I go every year. I'm not a big gambler (too frugal), though I do gamble a bit. I'm more of a site-seer than a gambler. Vegas offers so much variety and is such a sensory city. Plus I get huge bang for my buck there.

Best hotel I've stayed at was the Bellagio on the Strip, with a Lakeview room of the fountain show. I also really loved the Mirage and Paris, though I don't like Paris's pool. Hotel I've stayed at the most--Harrahs. I like it. It's not the nicest hotel, it's middle-of-the-road, but I always have fun there, and it feels like home.

Hotel prices in Vegas are so much cheaper than WDW (or anywhere else in the US, for that matter) for comparable hotels. I mean, for what I paid for a moderate resort at Disney World, I could have stayed at a 5 star hotel on the Strip (mid-week, of course). I suffered serious sticker shock the first time I went to Disney World, I coudn't believe how much more expensive it was for lesser hotels. But you figure gambling is subsidizing the hotels in Vegas.

Prices are dirt cheap right now. It's like all of Vegas is having a fire sale. I'm looking at prices right now for my next trip, and there are 3 star hotels offering nights for as low as $25. And all you can eat dining at their buffets for the same amount. Seriously. On the upper end, even the Wynn and Encore--arguably the nicest hotels on the Strip--are going for as low as $139/night mid-week this summer. Hotels of that caliber in NYC must go for like $500/night (normally, perhaps not now, with the recession).

Since most of the action centers around the Strip and Downtown, you
really don't need to rent a car in Vegas if you don't want to, which is
nice.

I think shows in Vegas are overpriced. For instance, I saw David Copperfield in Vermont for half the price of what he charges in Vegas. Same. Exact. Show. The top tier shows run over $100 as a rule. You can get shows for under $100, but they're still priced fairly high for what you're getting. You really have to hunt for the exceptions.

I hate to contradict you, Mousetraveler, but it depends on where you live as to whether or not flights are cheap. If you live in Vermont, not so cheap. I am always deliriously happy if I can get roundtrip airfare for under $400. We're not a hub airport, and so it sucks to be us when it comes to flying to any good destinations (sorry Newark and Detroit). Of course, you live a lot closer to Vegas than I do.

Food in Vegas can be really cheap if you're willing to go off the Strip or lower your standards for food. Downtown is probably the best place to be for cheap meal deals that are also good. I can get a delicious prime rib dinner Downtown for $7.95. (Try getting that at WDW!) Or if you want to, you can go to a celebrity chef restaurant and drop $300 for dinner. You've got the full spectrum of experiences here.

Late April would be an awesome time to go, Leota--great weather, and the pools are open. Beware of spring breakers, though. I always go Labor Day week now. There are always good deals to be had that week, and it's pool season. Fewer kids, because they've all started school. Yes, it's quite hot, but you spend a lot of time indoors in Vegas anyway, so who cares? I always forget about the air conditioning factor and bring lots of tank tops and shorts with me and then FREEZE 70% of the time, because I'm indoors and the A/C is cranking.

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 12:03

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SoloFriendly wrote:

I hate to contradict you, Mousetraveler, but it depends on where you live as to whether or not flights are cheap. If you live in Vermont, not so cheap. I am always deliriously happy if I can get roundtrip airfare for under $400. We're not a hub airport, and so it sucks to be us when it comes to flying to any good destinations (sorry Newark and Detroit). Of course, you live a lot closer to Vegas than I do.

Hey, I fly out of a Southwest hub and forget how the other half lives.

I'm amazed at the hotel prices you quoted Solo. I haven't looked at them lately, but to stay at places like the Wynn for $139 or so is amazing. It's a buyers market!

For those of you planning a trip, make plans to go downtown one evening. You can get some good meals down there and everyone needs to see the Fremont Street Experience once. www.vegasexperience.com They basically spent about $70 million to cover three blocks of Fremont Street with an electronic canopy and they do multimedia shows every 30 minutes after dark.

There's also talk the Star Trek Experience (originally at the Hilton), will move to downtown during the next year.

I've also heard that your gambling odds may be better downtown, but I honestly don't know if thats a downtown sales pitch or if its even possible.

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 12:16

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Does anyone have any experience with The Tropicana? If we go that's where we'll stay. My friend works there and can get us a room for almost nothing, if not nothing. He's the "Eye in the Sky" - security in the casino. If you gamble in the middle of the night at the casino at The Trop, chances are my friend Paul is watching you.

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 12:49

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Imagineer wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with The Tropicana? If we go that's where we'll stay. My friend works there and can get us a room for almost nothing, if not nothing. He's the "Eye in the Sky" - security in the casino. If you gamble in the middle of the night at the casino at The Trop, chances are my friend Paul is watching you.

We had a meeting there but its been close to ten years. I think they've had a major overhaul of it since then.

We enjoyed it very much. Although older, it is a great location and the room was excellent. At the time we stayed there, there were basically two parts to the hotel. There was a front part which was the casino and an older (and quite frankly, 'run down' looking) hotel, and the back part which was the "Tower".

The Tower was newer and was where the convention facilities were and thats where we were housed. My room in the Tower was a regular room and it was VERY nice.

Bottom line, I'd stay there again in a heartbeat, and ESPECIALLY if my friend got me a cheap or FREE room!!

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 15:02

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Quote:

Does anyone have any experience with The Tropicana?

I have only been in the public areas, but I didn't care for it. It had a funky smell to it. Not a good one. I didn't stick around too long.

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For those of you planning a trip, make plans to go downtown one
evening. You can get some good meals down there and everyone needs to
see the Fremont Street Experience once. www.vegasexperience.com They
basically spent about $70 million to cover three blocks of Fremont
Street with an electronic canopy and they do multimedia shows every 30
minutes after dark.

Amen. The best part, though, if you can take your eyes off the show, is to look around you at everyone else. It's as if they've all been frozen in time: Everyone is perfectly still, staring upward. It's hilarious.

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I've also heard that your gambling odds may be better downtown, but I
honestly don't know if thats a downtown sales pitch or if its even
possible.

I consistently hear the the same thing, mostly from gamblers.

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 15:10

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And in regard to the Fremont Street Experience, there are 3 or 4 different shows, so it pays to hang around and walk outside every 30 minutes.

The best one (IMHO) is the the one where the fighter jets basically fly down the street over you.

As a side, I've stayed downtown. Once at the Golden Nugget and twice at Binions.

The Golden Nugget (at the time I stayed there ten years ago) was as nice as anything on the strip. It is STILL the class of downtown.

My first stay at Binions was fine and for $49 or $59 a night. The second stay wasn't as pleasant. I received a room in the "addition" which is a hotel next door that they acquired at some time or another.

My room WOULD have overlooked Fremont Street, but the windows were heavily curtained and when I did look out I could see the top of the canopy for the Experience.

That was bad enough, but my room was also just a few feet from one of the sets of massive SPEAKERS used to fill downtown with sound.

Plus, the room was the absolute worst I've ever had.

I just chalked it up to a learning experience and went on about my business.

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Mon, 05/25/2009 - 15:15

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MouseTraveler wrote:

That was bad enough, but my room was also just a few feet from one of the sets of massive SPEAKERS used to fill downtown with sound.

Yikes! At what time did they stop playing the sound?

Mon, 05/25/2009 - 15:22

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Brad wrote:

MouseTraveler wrote:

That was bad enough, but my room was also just a few feet from one of the sets of massive SPEAKERS used to fill downtown with sound.

Yikes! At what time did they stop playing the sound?

I believe the last show is at midnight. If you aren't going to be up at midnight, you have NO business being in Vegas!

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Tue, 05/26/2009 - 02:01

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That was bad enough, but my room was also just a few feet from one of
the sets of massive SPEAKERS used to fill downtown with sound.

Plus, the room was the absolute worst I've ever had.

Oh, that is terrible! I definitely would have gotten a different room.

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If you aren't going to be up at midnight, you have NO business being in Vegas!

I hate to admit it, but coming from the East Coast as I do, I have a very hard time staying awake until midnight. It upsets me, because I know that all the fun starts at around the same time I'm going to bed, but I just can't help it. By the time I've adjusted to West Coast time, it's usually time to come home.

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Tue, 05/26/2009 - 09:51

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Hi,

Like soloFriendly, I too am from the east coast, and during my three full nights in Las Vegas, with one exception I was in bed asleep by 9:00 PM PST. Maybe the fact that I'm so rarely up at midnight is the reason that I've never returned to Las Vegas.

Jim

Tue, 05/26/2009 - 15:01

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LeCellierBuff1963 wrote:

Hi,

Like soloFriendly, I too am from the east coast, and during my three full nights in Las Vegas, with one exception I was in bed asleep by 9:00 PM PST. Maybe the fact that I'm so rarely up at midnight is the reason that I've never returned to Las Vegas.

Jim

My bedtime has been moving downward consistently. I usually make midnight, but certainly not always.

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